In a rapidly changing world, economics education must change rapidly
Interview in Maeil Daily, 19th December 2024
Here is a link to the original Korean article, with the English translation below.
“Climate Change·Al... In a rapidly changing world, economics education must change
rapidly”
On the 16th, world-renowned scholars Wendy Carlin and Arjun Jayadev visited
Kyungpook National University for a seminar titled 'Economics 2.0: Transforming
Economics Education for a New Era.'
The seminar, which was held to seek new methods and directions for economics
education, was hosted by the Kyungpook National University Graduate School of
Economics, BK21 System and Education Research Group for Inclusive Growth,
Kyungpook National University Economic and Management Research Institute,
Gyeongsang National University SSK Post-Capitalism and Marxism Innovation Research
Group, Kyungpook National University Economic and Management Research Institute,
and the Korean Social Economics Association.
It starts from an economic phenomenon that actually exists in the world and examines
the reasons for its existence from a broad perspective.
Many of the economic problems we face cannot be solved by leaving it to the market
itself. The key to solving them is to examine them from various perspectives and
consider various economic entities. Mankiw's approach overlooks this point.
-I'm curious about the background to that thought.
This project started with the 2008 financial crisis. Economics students asked their
professors, “What on earth is going on?” and “Why is this global crisis happening?” To
my shame, professors, including myself, had difficulty explaining the causes of this
crisis. Students also felt that their parents had told them to ‘learn economics.’
The two leading scholars of the CORE Economics project, an introductory economics
book created with over 50 scholars, point out the fundamental limitations of 'Mankiw's
Economics', an introductory book that all economics students must read. 'Mankiw'
cannot explain the era of upheaval and uncertainty such as serious economic inequality,
climate change, and the emergence of AI. We met with the two scholars who argue that
economics must also change to fit the times.
Inequality brought about by environmental and technological innovations cannot be
explained by 'Mankiw's Introduction', so more than 50 economists participated in
compiling the new introductory book 'Core Economics', "A broad look at economic
phenomena in reality"
-Please introduce your respective fields of research.
Wendy Carlin (hereinafter referred to as Wen): I mainly studied macroeconomics. The
impact of wages on the economy, and how regions that share a common currency
operate. For example, the causes and effects of the financial crisis in the euro zone. I
also studied the German economy. I conducted a project on the entire process of the
East German economy transitioning from a planned economy to a market economy after
the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Arjun (hereafter A): My research area is also macroeconomics. It is about what happens
when a country opens its financial market to foreign capital, such as growth and
economic inequality. I have also been conducting research on measuring inequality for a
long time. It is about understanding the meaning and causes of income inequality.
He said he was pressured to explain why this happened while he was majoring in the
field, but he found it difficult to explain clearly.
At that time, I realized that the way I had been studying economics up to that point was
wrong. I realized that I needed to learn economics not just to pass exams, but to discuss
economic problems and solutions. So, starting in 2013, I began working in earnest on a
project to create a new introductory book called Core Economics.
I think it's because they were dissatisfied with the subject. Also, our books are not
boring. That must have been an advantage for the students.
It is impressive to start an economic discussion from a real economic phenomenon. As
an economist, what do you think about the Corona pandemic that has brought about
significant changes worldwide?
WEN: The Corona pandemic was a very interesting experience. The economy tends to
emphasize the 'selfishness' of people. However, the Corona pandemic has shown that
the 'selfishness' of people, as claimed by economics, has its limits in understanding
certain phenomena. This is because many people have sacrificed themselves and acted
altruistically, such as giving up their freedom to prevent infection.
-Mankiw's introduction is famous all over the world. There must have been trial and error
and difficulties.
-The most widely used introductory textbook in economics departments is Mankiw's
textbook. What is the difference between Mankiw's textbook and your introductory
economics book, 'Core Economics'?
Wen: Mankiw's textbook does not start from actual economic phenomena. In Mankiw's
world, the way the market works is based on fixed and simple frameworks such as
supply and demand. He tries to interpret all phenomena within that framework.
Wen: We did not rely on the knowledge of just one or two people to create Core
Economics. More than 50 economists participated.
The biggest barrier is that Mankiw has been used in every country in the world for a long
time. And the choice of textbook is entirely at the discretion of the professor. Even if
many students want to change the textbook, if the teacher wants to use Mankiw in
teaching, it cannot be changed. We had to convince the teachers that it was worth it to
change the introductory book.
However, the world is currently experiencing a period of upheaval with serious economic
inequality, climate change, and the emergence of artificial intelligence (AI). Even during
the 2008 foreign exchange crisis, it was difficult to understand such phenomena with
Mankiw's introductory book. Core economics starts from reality.
Core Economics is now used as an introductory textbook at 550 universities around the
world. The reason it was able to make this change was because professors also followed
Mankiw’s method.
The pandemic has made economists realize that they need a much richer interpretation
of human behavior. I think that post-pandemic there has been greater support for a
causal approach to teaching economics.
As I mentioned earlier, humanity is living in a time of climate change and the emergence
of AI. As an economist, what do you think is the most important issue facing humanity?
The problem is that people are not united in solving the problem. For example, there is a
solution to climate change, but it is difficult to solve because there are groups that still
depend on fossil fuels. The country that introduced AI but did not experience mass
unemployment is because there is a belief that we need to unite to solve the problem,
and there is an underlying awareness that we need to utilize technology well. It is
important to have an awareness that we need to manage the inequality that these
things, whether technological innovation or environmental change, will bring.
Wen: I think the biggest threat young people feel is the threat of climate change. This is
also economically costly. One thing we can do as educators is to explain why this
problem has occurred and what economic policies can help solve environmental
problems.
It helps us understand what can be improved. However, environmental issues take a
backseat to issues such as finance and trade.
It is because of the perception that 'we have to'. Economically, it is wrong. Even if all cars
were electric, we could have a more diverse society and enjoy greater economic
prosperity, just like when we used internal combustion engines. We have to convince
people that caring for the environment is not against your interests or something that
requires you to give up something.
As technology advances, such as solar power or electric vehicles, the price has
decreased compared to the beginning. This can reduce pollution and lower energy bills.
From an economic perspective, it is a win-win. As Arjun said, we should not say that
'going green is terribly expensive.'
-Lastly, I am curious about the goals of the Core Economics Project and your goals as a
scholar.
That Core is to be able to spread to not only economics students, but also to a wider
audience, such as citizens, journalists, and public policy makers. I hope that interesting
stories will emerge based on the core. It may be somewhat abstract for me personally,
but it is about maintaining interest in what is happening in the world and conducting
interesting research.
A: My goal for Core is the same as Wendy's. Personally, I want to re-examine how to
reorganize society for climate change and inequality. The world is changing in a way that
cannot be understood in the way it has been done so far. I also want to study this
phenomenon for a few years with the mindset of a beginner again.
Wen: Because the problems that are right in front of us are more tangible. But it helps us
realize that the long-term threat of climate change is approaching us. That awareness
must not stop or become paralyzed.
A: It is an issue of inequality. Managing inequality must be a common priority in any
change. For example, in the case of artificial intelligence (AI), robots are widely used in
Korean and Japanese society, but mass unemployment is occurring.
A: I think people can worry about several things at once, even if they are pushed aside by
other issues. The biggest reason environmental issues are pushed aside by other issues
is that 'if you care about the environment, you can cover a lot of things.